Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Responsa for Bava Batra 313:10

ואי סלקא דעתך דאיקני קנה ומכר דאיקני קנה והוריש לא משתעבד נהי נמי דאב מית ברישא דאיקני הוא

According to R. Meir who holds [the view that] a person may transfer possession of something that has not [yet] come into existence, there can be no question; for [the lender] has undoubtedly acquired possession.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., the lender is entitled to seize any real estate bought and sold after the date of the note. ');"><sup>27</sup></span> The question arises according to [the view of] the Rabbis who maintain [that] a person may not transfer possession of something that has not [yet] come into existence.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Has a mortgage, according to the Rabbis, more force than a sale, and may the lender, therefore, seize the sold land or not? ');"><sup>28</sup></span> R. Joseph said, Come and hear: And the Sages Say: This [creditor] who sold him<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' The borrower. ');"><sup>29</sup></span>

Teshuvot Maharam

Q. A, his four daughters, and his wife, were killed when the house they occupied collapsed. A's heirs claim that perhaps the wife died first and that therefore they now were the only heirs to A's estate. The wife's brothers, on the other hand, claim that perhaps the wife died last and that therefore they were entitled to her ketubah. Some Rabbis are of the opinion that the wife's heirs were entitled to one-twelfth of the estate; while other Rabbis, computing probabilities, believe that they were entitled to one thirty-second of the estate.
A. It is my humble opinion that the wife's heirs are entitled to one-half of the estate, because of the talmudic principle Kol Kavua kemahaze al mahaze domi, meaning: whenever an event is about to befall (or has befallen) one of a number of fixed persons or objects, each person or object has a fifty-fifty chance that the incident will befall (or has befallen) him or it. Therefore, legally, there is a fifty-fifty chance for each one of the six persons involved that he or she died last. Had the daughters been married and had their husbands appeared to demand their share, the estate would have had to be divided into six parts. But, since only two persons demand their share, the estate should be divided between the two. Although a woman has to take an oath before she is entitled to collect her ketubah, no such oath is required in this case since A died suddenly and we have no reason to suspect that before his death he had deposited with her valuables to be used in payment of her ketubah.
SOURCES: Cr. 172; L. 378; Mord. B. B. 638; Tesh. Maim. to Mishpatim, 5; Agudah B. B. 213; Asher, Responsa 84, 3. Cf. ibid. 85, 1; ibid. 86, 1; Maharil, Responsa 63; ibid. 169; Moses Minz, Responsa 96; Terumat Hadeshen 330.
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Teshuvot Maharam

Q. A, his four daughters, and his wife, were killed when the house they occupied collapsed. A's heirs claim that perhaps the wife died first and that therefore they now were the only heirs to A's estate. The wife's brothers, on the other hand, claim that perhaps the wife died last and that therefore they were entitled to her ketubah. Some Rabbis are of the opinion that the wife's heirs were entitled to one-twelfth of the estate; while other Rabbis, computing probabilities, believe that they were entitled to one thirty-second of the estate.
A. It is my humble opinion that the wife's heirs are entitled to one-half of the estate, because of the talmudic principle Kol Kavua kemahaze al mahaze domi, meaning: whenever an event is about to befall (or has befallen) one of a number of fixed persons or objects, each person or object has a fifty-fifty chance that the incident will befall (or has befallen) him or it. Therefore, legally, there is a fifty-fifty chance for each one of the six persons involved that he or she died last. Had the daughters been married and had their husbands appeared to demand their share, the estate would have had to be divided into six parts. But, since only two persons demand their share, the estate should be divided between the two. Although a woman has to take an oath before she is entitled to collect her ketubah, no such oath is required in this case since A died suddenly and we have no reason to suspect that before his death he had deposited with her valuables to be used in payment of her ketubah.
SOURCES: Cr. 172; L. 378; Mord. B. B. 638; Tesh. Maim. to Mishpatim, 5; Agudah B. B. 213; Asher, Responsa 84, 3. Cf. ibid. 85, 1; ibid. 86, 1; Maharil, Responsa 63; ibid. 169; Moses Minz, Responsa 96; Terumat Hadeshen 330.
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